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It's Sunday.
We're back.
We're doing season-ending awards.
MVP, most improved, rookie of the year.
Who do you got?
Let's find out next.
What is going on, everybody?
Welcome to Sunday, Sunday,
Sunday night CrossFit talk.
All this week,
we went live and my printer decided to
clean the jets.
We went live.
Wow.
You're not early.
You're right on time.
Yeah.
bam yo nice to see everybody in the
chat um we're gonna have a fun night
tonight we're gonna do some season-ending
awards we're gonna play pencil pen sharpie
and bring it back by popular demand but
until then how was your guys's weekend
mine has just been doing a lot of
work like yesterday i was studying for my
l three today was all school work um
yeah
l three yeah i know you were i
know you were trying because if you win
certain things you got like a free l
two or l one and you taught didn't
you talk to dave about could that be
used or traded in for an l three
yeah i've had i've had a few times
where i've gone like a free l one
or l two in the last few years
and then they can also give you um
oftentimes I'll be like two or three
courses online and I got an L three
now to study for.
So nice.
we'll see how that goes.
I can book it from way further away,
but I feel like if I start studying
now, I'm going to forget.
It's like, I just need to cram everything.
And then it's like fresh in my mind
versus booking it way down the road.
Yeah.
I'm just having to reread again because
like you just forget a few things.
Yeah.
Like, Oh,
that's just the way that my mind works.
What a nice guy.
He waits until his cohost lions game is
finished.
I can,
that game was over two hours ago.
Well, yes,
but almost every possession that was
freaking amazing.
He doesn't always wait for it to be
over.
Sometimes we go live when it's on or
starting.
Well, my wife is a big Steelers fan.
It's happening right now.
We usually watch those things together.
So it's a bummer.
That's the only bad thing about Sunday
Night CrossFit talk is it bumps up against
Sunday Night Football,
and it is a bit of a bummer.
But, hey –
This is our time slot,
and we're getting good at it.
So we're going to figure it out.
I'll be back upstairs for the second half.
Yep.
So speaking of, the Bears,
for the eighteenth week in a row,
have given me a heart attack.
Yes.
But come through in the end,
and are now six and freaking three.
Are you kidding me?
Wow.
I can't even believe it.
Like...
I need to see some scores.
And now the Bears are like putting their
locker room celebrations on Instagram and
all that stuff.
And Ben Johnson's like,
our guy has ice in his veins.
And it's just getting me all pumped up,
goosebumps, the whole bit.
So that was just freaking awesome.
Yep.
Caleb Williams came through for me again
with another twenty five points.
I kind of have stopped looking at my
fantasy stuff.
I don't have good players.
Actually.
I'm in the lead right now in my
mind from this week.
You went in this week.
That's good so far, but it's not very,
it's not looking good.
I am crushing Andrew Sten right now.
My defense scored two touchdowns this
week.
I had Jonathan Taylor who scored like.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a Wisconsin grad.
Yeah, he's unreal.
Yeah, JT.
We'll see you next week, Ken Walters.
Bears-Vikings next weekend.
I'll be watching the Bears.
I hate the Vikings.
Yeah.
I've always hated them for some reason.
Sometimes even more than the Packers,
and that's hard.
I was going to say,
I thought Packers would be your rival,
but yeah.
Andrew Sten says, yeah, rub it in.
It's been a good week on that side.
Yeah, I think I'm up too.
On another note,
did you guys happen to see any of
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductions
last night?
I did not.
I saw that on your list.
I didn't see any of it.
and i was it was so good there
were four bands i was really there for
and it was bad company uh who i've
seen in concert and i love them it's
just a shame that they're so old that
only one member could be there to accept
and then they do a tribute and then
salt and peppa came out with spinderella
and they crushed it and then out of
nowhere and vogue comes out on the stage
and they do what a man
with salt and pepper and then kid and
play come out.
It was like,
I was back as a freshman in college,
like listening to the jams.
It was so good.
And then outcast was inducted, uh,
who I love from the two thousands and,
um, and then sound garden, sound gardens,
a major influence in my life.
And it's just a shame.
Chris Cornell wasn't there, but they had,
um,
Oh, gosh, Tyler,
Taylor Monson from the pretty reckless and
bullet.
Carlisle.
What's your name?
Like, I'm just blanking.
Randy Carlisle.
Oh, for Chris Cornell,
and both of them absolutely crushed it.
Brandi Carlisle did black hole son and it
was phenomenal.
Yeah,
I saw your post about Salt-N-Pepa and I
was like, was he after, like,
I was like, did I miss something?
Did they have a concert somewhere?
No,
Julie and I were just watching it and
it was like taking us back to when
we were first dating and even before that.
But I can't have to laugh with the
trivia.
Taylor Momsen was also Cindy Lou Who from
the Jim Carrey Grinch movie.
Fun fact.
And if you've ever heard the pretty
reckless, it is nothing like a Dr.
Seuss book.
She is phenomenal.
Heavy metal singer.
Pretty, pretty awesome.
One of my favorite bands is the pretty
reckless.
They're coming to Columbus next May with
hail storm and shine down.
And I was like, I want,
but it's right when semifinals are
happening.
So it just,
it's probably not going to happen, but.
They also named Hockey Hall of Fame people
this weekend, too.
Oh, wow.
And one of my ex-teammates, line mate,
is in it.
So I was happy to see her.
Oh, that's awesome.
Oh, very cool.
Yeah.
Yeah, speaking of hockey,
MSU beat Penn State this weekend.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's big.
It was a really good –
sports weekend for michigan state um we we
had a bye obviously for football so
everything else went great line basketball
we won on saturday i had a bye
in football lions won and hockey they won
so yeah it was good usa spank canada
too in the women's rivalry series this
weekend so
and and for carolyn wisconsin got their
first football win in like months again
against a ranked team it was like the
first time in a few in a couple
years i think all right we've been we've
been just bad the last few years and
like we've always been really good like
always a ball game we used to have
the rose wall time now we just we
just suck
Cross that says hockey hall of fame waits
way too long for people to get super
old to let them in.
That's how I feel about the rock and
roll hall of fame.
Let these people in when they can,
they can accept and they can play.
Yeah.
I mean,
some of the hockey ones they named this
time have recently retired.
So I don't think it's too bad.
Yeah.
Wisconsin storming the field felt sad.
loved it loved it Penn State took Indiana
to the brink number two in the country
Indiana if and I and I swear that
the kids would have stormed the field and
it would have been like pathetic you've
lost five in a row you don't deserve
to storm the field right now it's weird
seeing Florida dominating in hockey
Panthers and lightning it is kind of a
little weird
I mean,
they have a bunch of Canadians on their
team, so.
Yeah.
The Penguins have looked good this year.
They weren't picked to do well,
but they look good.
I haven't watched too much NHL so far
this year.
I have a little bit of the Habs.
I'm a Habs fan and they're doing well
this year.
I just have a second TV.
I throw up sports while we're watching
other stuff.
So I just glanced at it while I'm
going through it.
But yeah.
I think that's part of an addiction,
but we'll see.
All right.
And the funniest thing this week is I
have this AI tool that I now make
reels with.
I just plug our show into it.
It picks reels and cuts them for me.
It saves me a ton of time.
And so I just put them up throughout
the week.
Our biggest reel this week was Corey and
I talking about the chicken,
whether they need to rooster or for the
egg to be fertilized or how that works.
it got way more views than any other
reel i put up isn't that wild that's
so strange wow like is it people is
it just other people outside of space
catching it and finding it i don't know
like you just get shared to like one
place that it takes off or yeah that's
crazy yeah crazy you guys have some
interesting conversations
Yeah,
we're begging for a Sriracha sponsorship.
I know.
I will not be helping you.
Oh, I love that stuff.
Every day for breakfast.
It's crazy.
We all had to watch it several times
to make sure that's what all the real
was.
Yeah.
It's because they can circumvent the cap
with no state income tax in Florida.
I lived in Florida for four years.
That is a very nice perk.
No state income tax makes the check a
little bit bigger.
About fifteen percent bigger.
Nice.
Yeah.
So the last thing I wanted to talk
about, and I don't have the link.
I'm so bad today.
The weather is killing my sinuses.
But Holly built a document after last
Sunday's show that she broke down every
single semifinal and everything she could
find on it and then links to every
place she found the information.
And it's out there.
There's a link to it from her Instagram
page, which is DataWad.
If you have any questions about semifinals
at all.
And what we've kind of learned is there
is no geographic restriction,
but some semifinals are taking a part of
and inviting from their region.
And then the rest of it is opened
up to the world.
Yeah,
I feel like this has been discussed a
bit,
but it does seem like the top twenty
out of quarterfinals are going to get
invited everywhere and then that's it.
They're not going to go everywhere,
so it's just a dumb way to look
at it.
You're going to have to pay a bunch
if you want to accept your spot at
a bunch of different places.
Some of them are at the same weekend,
so they will have to choose eventually.
It'll trickle down.
I mean, I just think it's not,
I think it should have, I don't know.
That's something I think they're gonna
have to think about in the future.
Like pick two at the beginning of the
season, put your bed in and you get,
you get two up to two.
That's it.
Like if you want one,
you can make one.
If you want to,
you can go to two.
I think it's, it could,
it should almost be,
you go to one and then you have
your last chance qualifier,
which is the online.
Yeah.
I think you only should go to one.
What's that?
The more I thought about this week,
I'm with you.
Makes it easier.
One online.
Yeah.
Cause that is a last chance qualifier.
And it's not like if you picked one
that had a bunch of people,
it's not like you're done.
You still technically do have another
shot.
It's just online, but it's there.
It wasn't there before when we had
regionals or semifinals and one shot at
it.
So it's at least a little bit more
from that.
I really wish it was either use the
open or qualifiers.
And then we, well,
I would just correct that too.
I either use the quarterfinals or
qualifiers.
Um, and we knew that all of them,
um,
and then they'll end up with no shows
in short fields.
I hope that they're doing like magic city
and they're putting a very strict timeline
on, right.
You have so many hours to, to accept.
And then we're moving on to the next
group.
Yeah.
Um,
And then John also says,
whose programming can we trust?
I got to say,
I'm still really bummed that they didn't
combine the open and quarterfinals into
one big score,
especially to whittle this down to the top
twenty to start to filter that.
Like that gets you a broader picture.
I think, I think we talked,
we've talked about this so many times,
but you get a way better picture of
the athlete when you have all of these
tests that everyone did.
Why would some of them just not count?
Like if you're moving on to the
quarterfinals,
all the videos are public and all the
scores count.
I agree.
Maybe next year we'll keep,
we'll keep harping on it.
I like this.
CrossFit says,
I think comps should get some sort of
reward for sending athletes that place
well at the games.
No,
because people want to qualify early in
the season.
So a lot of them will pick,
let's say,
Mayhem because they want to get more time
to train for the games.
So does that mean that that event was
better or you just had better people show
up because it's earlier in the season?
I don't think that that would necessarily
mean that that competition was...
The best, just because it's first.
Although, last year,
I would argue Mayhem was definitely the
top one.
But if you keep sending people that finish
twenty-eighths, twenty-ninth,
and thirtieth, is that,
should you be rewarded to have three spots
every year?
Or be like, okay,
because your people are always finishing
at the tail end,
we're reducing your spots to two or one.
Well, that...
that's like saying like,
should Africa have a semi-final?
I mean,
people get injured too at the games.
Like if you get all of a sudden
a withdrawal, like what happens?
I'm saying consistently, not just one.
Yeah.
I don't,
it's just so hard because the games is
different programming.
Like it's just, it's completely different.
You can do well at open quarters,
semifinals,
and then you just have different stuff
that shows up at the games.
You can either be better at that stuff
or worse.
It's all program dependent,
except for Tia.
So if Tia is here and compete that
syndicate versus at home and compete that
Torian, what like, I don't know.
That's a geographic thing kind of,
and unless we're trying to limit it by
geography,
like I don't see the point in necessarily
doing that.
I could say, yes,
I totally agree with you if,
if we were still geographically bound.
like we should take away spots from Africa
if they can't even send people who can
finish.
When last year may have programmed every
event.
So who do you punish?
It's the same programmer for all.
Yeah.
But is it,
it's the fact that athletes don't want to
clearly travel and compete at that comp.
So you're not getting good athletes there.
So then the best athlete that made it
can't even finish in the top.
They're they're,
They're from twenty fifth to thirtieth.
And that's like if that's consistently
happening,
that's clearly not a place that should
hold a hold a semifinal.
Nobody wants to go there.
Nobody wants it like.
They were already what show they were
doing,
trying to pick where all these athletes
would go compete.
And there's like two comps that are like
going to take the twenty fifth person.
Like so it's like saying like.
Colton should fly over to cope with her
and take that spot.
But will he, I don't know.
I mean,
but until people like someone takes that
opportunity and takes a spot and makes it
worthwhile, it's, it's,
it's kind of proving that that comp
shouldn't even happen.
Like nobody wants to go there.
Yeah.
I guess we'll see.
I mean,
we'll see what comes out of those couples.
Ma'am does a ton.
Great.
I think the spin boys were crying about
how much they squatted.
Rich made a little comment.
They are informed in the space.
nothing wrong with a bunch of squatting i
mean i just think so many workouts are
so dependent on upper body push and pull
so i'm okay with more squatting same like
everything that like it's just yeah i'm
okay with that yeah we see a lot
more pulling and pushing than we do lower
body dominant workouts it's better than no
consistently right like we didn't like
when there was no squatting if you had
a sponsor that would send you to copus
or why not
agree agree well like if you're ty jenkins
and your big sponsor is adidas why
wouldn't adidas say hey come to europe and
do the comp here with us yeah i
agree like because it could be tight at
syndicate like that wouldn't be a bad idea
for him
And that's just an example.
I'm not picking Ty out of the mix.
I know his sponsor is a European-based
sponsor, so it just makes sense.
Why not send them over, any of them,
Sidney Wells, any of them,
over to Europe where they can train at
the Adidas headquarters and do whatever?
Wayne Short says, or James Sprague.
See,
I think James is at a point where
he can just go wherever.
where Ty is not quite there yet.
Kenny, though?
I mean, I don't know.
I kind of agree with you.
If he's proved anything this year,
he's proved he can go anywhere.
If all four of those boys choose legends
to go to Del Mar, that's a problem.
Okay.
I mean,
do I think he could be the one
that takes it?
Uh, depends on how Bob and Joe program,
if they go their heavy machine,
like he might be the one that's out.
Yeah.
Ty Ty was competing this weekend.
There was a comp in like Puerto Rico.
There's a few good athletes that are
there.
The it's called a beetle extravaganza.
Okay.
And like on the woman's side,
there's Hannah black fee, uh,
Jenny Chevry, Ariel Sanders, scuds, uh,
a couple Mesa.
I actually, she's ended up withdrawing,
but a couple of people,
Quintero from the games looks like a solid
field.
And on the men's side,
Ty was ties there.
Tola.
Oh,
So some good athletes there.
Small field, but good athletes.
Didn't even hear about it.
And we have desert city this weekend too.
Yeah.
Shout out to Liz who won nice on
the female side.
I know Scott pancheck programs that for
them every year.
Um,
so I see stuff through his feed and
of course the burgers are big friends with
them.
So.
we hear about that, but, um,
I wish there was a way to stream
stuff like that.
Just a cheap stream.
Doesn't have to be like the big one,
like just the desert one, Lauren Khalil,
um,
did like a recap video broadcasting of the
final heats.
So those are on YouTube.
I was watching those cause I was watching
Liz the entire weekend compete.
Um, so those were nice to have like,
they weren't live,
but they would be uploaded pretty fast in
the evening and stuff.
CrossFit says that the Puerto Rican one
sounds very much like a crash-level field.
I think there's good prize money there,
which probably attracted a lot of the
athletes if they got invites.
Yeah,
that's the key to a lot these days,
I think.
Nice prize money,
you're going to get some nice athletes.
All right, so...
One more quick thing,
and then we'll get into some season
awards.
There have been,
since we really last talked,
more withdrawals at WFP.
Lexi Neely announced that she was going to
have to withdraw.
Of course, Sam Quant,
after the injury at Rogue,
was forced to withdraw.
Emma Tall also had another shoulder injury
at Rogue,
even though there's been no announcement.
That looks like a potential issue as well,
because I know she's been battling that
shoulder now for at least a year.
She had it last year at Rogue as
well.
so um we're going to get into a
little more of the wfp as we get
to pencil pen and sharpie later on in
the show but just wanted to say that
there's some more withdrawals coming um
and i know last week we hadn't pen
pen pencil pen and sharpie uh jeff adler
would he go after winning all this money
and and then to point out that it's
at christmas time it's gonna be wild
I'm wondering if WFP is going to be
like the first few years of golf FedEx
cup.
No one realized what was going on in
year one.
I do think that that is a problem
that they have.
I think that they didn't educate enough
people on how the season works.
So, yes, I agree with that.
However, I've said this since day one.
like to, in order to make it grow,
you need the challengers to want to be
there and incentivize them into a like
realistic way of getting to these events.
And this year there's definitely a shot
for some of these challengers to get,
take over a spot.
So it probably would have made some sense
for some people,
but I feel like without like,
you're throwing all this money at these
pros that aren't even doing shit for the
sport.
Like they aren't,
They aren't showing up consistently.
I understand your guys' push for that,
but you need to entice these challengers
to be there to make it interesting,
to see if they can take over a
spot.
And making people pay to go to three
different stops, one of them overseas,
is extremely hard for somebody who doesn't
have a sponsor who is on the up
and come up.
So I don't see how this side of
WFP grows.
I mean,
they just are going to get their top
ten names and hope that they get viewers
and sponsors.
I don't know.
Well, here's the issue.
You can have all the challengers and you
can incentivize them all you want.
If nobody understands the season,
they're not going to be able to do
it.
And I get crushed every time I say
this.
And I get crushed at work because...
Where I work with unemployment,
reemployment, there are acronyms,
there are terms that we use internally
that nobody outside of us understands what
those acronyms or terms are.
And if you use those in educating what
unemployment is to the public,
they would be so confused nobody would
file.
Right.
Right.
And I think that's what's happened with
WFP.
Right.
Inside the sport,
when you are designing the season,
you understand what it is.
But you're using terminology and terms
that the outside people who don't watch
sports every day can understand.
And that is where...
They got off on the wrong foot and
cross fat.
Yes.
I was a big.
Yeller screamer about they needed a cut
line to show the people above the cut
line, have what you want.
The people below the cut line are trying
to get up there to take what they,
they can get.
Yeah.
And that didn't happen until after tour
stop too,
Holly and I made one before they did.
And I think that that's the big issue.
Because you have to talk about both the
current state of the competition and then
afterwards or during where like who's got
the pro cards,
who's kind of inside and out,
like what the bubble line like
continuously.
I don't think the actual season is
confusing at all.
No,
but if you don't watch sports like because
there's a lot of people in CrossFit that
don't watch pro sports.
But I think the idea of having athletes
that are pro athletes,
that they get invited to everything,
and then athletes that are trying to get
the slots,
just that basic idea is not that
confusing.
That challengers need to basically
accumulate enough points to dethrone a
pro.
I don't think it's that complicated.
To get what, though?
Do we have any idea what they're...
A pro card, I get it.
But is it a ten thousand dollar contract?
Is it thirty thousand?
Is it like does anyone know exactly what
they're trying to earn?
Pro card to me is like that.
You don't have to do a qualifier and
you're automatically invited to the
events.
Just like you win a master's jacket.
You get invited to the masters for the
next however many years.
The rest of your life.
Yeah.
So it's like.
That to me is the pro card.
The money can differentiate from placing
the placing,
depending on your season earnings.
But I don't think that that is the
huge deal.
It's more just like you escape the
qualifiers.
You get,
you get to go to all of the
main events.
You bypass.
I don't think it's confusing.
Colton is not a pro.
Correct.
He's still a challenger.
He just got put in.
After Copenhagen,
the new twenty will be announced.
Right.
There were twenty announced.
It stays that twenty until after
Copenhagen when the final points are
released and then the top twenty point
getters get the next pro card.
And everything in between is the battle to
get into that top twenty.
But I think the only confusing part of
the season was how they chose the twenty
at the beginning of the season.
Once the season is done and the twenty
have gone enough points and it's like
easier to follow year to year,
like those athletes got the top points of
twenty twenty five.
They start off getting invites to the
major comps.
The other one needs to fight for it
to get points.
And that's it.
So I think that if you watch sports,
Carolyn, you're correct.
From the comments I've gotten on DMs and
on YouTube,
there is a group of people that don't
watch sports regularly that have no idea
what any of that means.
They're so used to just CrossFit being a
one-weekend competition.
And at the end of that,
there's a podium and whatever.
Most sports...
are literally like a league that you play
during the season and then it's playoffs.
It's the exact same thing.
Why can't people explain it like that?
It's literally the league and then the
finals.
It's not that...
Why isn't it like the open quarterfinals
games?
Because it resets after every stage in
CrossFit and that doesn't happen in a
normal league.
Well, it shouldn't.
And that's what I've always said that I
wanted to...
It is more different than you...
then we're letting on it than it is
and i think that's why the approach wfp
took and that's why they got into the
spot they were i'm telling you i got
so many comments of people who didn't
understand
I think it makes more sense than the
CrossFit Games season in terms of you get
points accumulated,
and then here's the champion of the whole
season with as many points.
CrossFit, you could win open, quarters,
open, quarters, semifinals.
You could win all three, lose the games,
and then you're not considered the
fittest, right?
Because it's just that one weekend.
when you could have won all three prior
with more events between all of those
combined.
For us sports nerds,
I agree with you completely.
It makes sense.
If you don't watch sports ever,
it doesn't make sense.
And the only sport you've ever watched is
CrossFit has never given you an example of
a true season.
I think people are just saying that
because they have a negative opinion based
off what people are saying in the space.
I disagree.
I think the points are extremely
confusing.
The fact that I can't...
If it was like you said, Carolyn,
I could just go and get points and
But the fact that I can't do the
same workout,
like those challengers that are in a
different heat and can only max out at
two hundred fifty points is silly and it's
confusing for them to acquire points to
get.
It's confusing,
like getting out of the challenger and
being able to compete in the pro heat
is confusing.
I don't think so, but.
The point the point system does not make
sense.
I don't understand the point system for
every competition of tennis or golf or
anything like that.
But once the rankings are there, I'm like,
okay, sure.
If they were really specific about the
rankings and like Scott said,
they had put, put out data around that.
Yeah.
I know.
Had they done that,
it would be a whole lot clearer.
They had a post at the beginning that
was like, spot one is this many points.
They just need to do that more often.
That's the only thing that's missing.
Communicate the points more often.
Communicate the leaderboard more often.
That needs to be a continuous topic.
Make it a graphic or picture that makes
sense.
Let's say something that's not WFP.
The duel at Rogue.
They made that graphic at Rogue,
and all of a sudden,
understanding what the duel is became so
much easier for everyone, for everybody.
You see it all played out.
Top ten moved to here,
top five moved to here,
top three moved to whatever.
It's the same principle.
Yes.
Um, Ken Walters.
That's why when you're first in any sport,
the next one's never survived.
ABA, WHA, USFL, XFL, world tennis,
try different twist on the original rules.
Uh,
but there have been some successes like
the AFL did merge with the NFL.
Um, so I will argue a tiny bit.
Um,
T-Bird, completely agree with Carolyn.
The media helps to educate others on the
ever-changing CrossFit season and how to
qualify each year.
The media could help more to educate about
the WFP.
I would argue I tried to do that,
and everybody got mad at me.
No, you were doing great.
That's what was needed.
I think at one point they had a
thing about Bethany was in the hunt,
and she was out.
And I'm like,
this is making no sense to anybody because
she's not in the hunt.
She is not even competing.
All right, let's get to some fun stuff.
We're going to talk about the
season-ending awards.
Prior to the WFP finals.
Well, let's be honest.
It's a slow week.
There's not a lot of news.
CrossFit didn't make any announcements
this week on their podcast.
And so we've got to make up content.
So we're doing season ending awards.
Maybe we'll revisit it in December after
WFP and see if it changes at all.
Okay.
So I'm going to do this in reverse
because I should save the biggest for the
last, right?
Okay.
And I started it with the biggest.
All right.
So let's do some like side bar stuff
first.
Most dominating performance.
One I didn't come up with.
I'm still thinking.
I'll start on this one.
My answer was anything that Colton
participated in with burpees and squats.
And I commented like his back squat at
the games or the road event with the
squat, the open scores that he had to.
Yeah.
Right.
When it's in his wheelhouse,
he is so far in front of everybody
else.
It is like Tia overall in the women's
division.
Colton is that on those movements in the
sport.
Yeah.
Yeah, I wrote Colton as well there.
Laura's pegboard was way ahead of everyone
as well.
Yeah, that's a good one.
Like three minutes or something about like
no one that was even close to her
on the female.
Yeah.
All right.
That one we all agree on pretty much
except for Laura.
Is that's a good one, though.
That is a good one.
Yeah.
I mean, it used to be like,
like DB doesn't even do that on
handstands.
What those two did this year.
Well,
they haven't programmed like a handstand
that, that Danielle could really like,
it's,
it's been mixed with different things
versus they've like,
they went out the games a few years
of just doing a,
just a full on handstand obstacle,
of course,
which I don't think anyone's beating
Danielle on that.
But yeah,
there hasn't been like super or a lot
of super dominant performances where no
one's even close.
Because even Tia,
like Kringle was close to her on the
run, right?
Like Jeff and Roman or was it Roman
or Ricky?
And honestly,
I don't think Tia blew anyone out of
the water either.
the games on like a specific event but
she's like multiple minutes ahead of
someone right the ones that come to mind
are like colton's just dominant
performances and laura's payboard all
right let's go to the next one uh
surprise of the year you want mine yep
tia at wadapalooza tia at wadapalooza
socal yes
She was human.
Yes.
Especially that final event.
I mean, the first one,
when you kind of were like,
what the heck's going on?
I thought maybe she was just taking it
easy.
But that last event, yeah.
That was insane.
It's like in Rocky IV when the Russian
gets cut and you're like...
He's not a machine.
He's a man.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
Is Ivan Drago.
You just can't be like,
it's just so good.
She's so dominant.
Yes.
It just like,
she was humanized for that weekend.
You're like, wow,
she does have like days where she's not
as dominant and that's okay.
Um,
Cross fat says Lucy Campbell,
Kenneth to lap any comp with Lucy
Campbell.
He meant my, see,
I didn't put Lucy Campbell because we're
going to see her in other awards.
And I just didn't want her to run
away with everything.
And so my surprise of the year was
Reese little wood coming out of nowhere to
finish third at syndicate and almost get a
spot to the games out of nowhere.
I like that one.
I have Annika.
I thought she had a really,
really good year.
A lot of people count her out because
of her running long distance.
But I was impressed with her.
She held it together all year and did
amazing at the games as well.
So it was a good surprise of the
year.
Although I wasn't surprised because I know
how good she is at CrossFit.
But happy to see her get some success.
Yeah,
I knew if she could get to the
games,
she would show out when she got there.
It's just that getting over that hurdle.
Yep.
Cross fat,
no submission error or any epic failures
at the end of an event was great
for Greer.
Yes.
My surprise,
Carolyn Prevo within weeks competing in
Masters and Indy finals.
That's a great one.
Ken Walters.
Carolyn doing both masters and individual
games in the same year.
Probably won't happen many times in
people's careers.
So pretty cool.
All right.
So next one is biggest disappointment.
Mine is lack of open participation.
I like that one.
I knew it was going to happen,
but I didn't think it was going to
be as bad as it actually was.
Mine is the decision to leave Kel Lehman's
scores up and keep him in the top
five of the Open.
I just wrote the amount of dropouts at
comps.
It's just like disappointing to see for
the organizers just like as like also just
sucks to see a lot of dropouts at
comps.
Yeah.
Wayne Short says Haley Adams.
I thought of that.
I just didn't want it to be recency
bias because the whole season.
And then Kenneth Lapp says the sale.
The sale that never happened.
Yeah.
Uh, Teresa wrote rush forward.
I love how you analyze Tia.
She's been at it for a long time,
had a baby and could still beat everyone.
We were surprised of her performance at
SoCal because it was not what we expected.
Correct.
Just dominates all the time.
Correct.
Uh, CrossFit said,
could have said the open across the board.
Yeah.
You two won the open.
So I don't think you were that
disappointed in the open.
I always liked the open.
I, I think the open's great.
Like, I think it does its job.
Unless they have a lift.
I think that's silly in a mass leaderboard
like that, but still.
In a three week, not a one rep,
but they could do a ladder of kind
of like a sixteen point two or nineteen
point two.
I like those workouts.
I think those are totally appropriate for
the open.
Yep.
Uh, WRM, nineteen,
twenty-two Alexis Raptus.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm a huge fan of hers,
but this year.
Yeah.
I think the back injury just really took
its toll.
It's it sucks.
She switched coaches too.
I think she went to Kyle Ruth.
I very curious on the reasoning behind
that.
She was always with, um, Adam,
was that his name?
Yeah.
Adam Rogers.
I,
And it's not like Adam isn't coaching.
Yeah.
I thought they had a good thing going.
I'm very curious what happened there.
No one knows.
Lupe,
which happened shortly after the games.
It actually happened before Kyle was
coaching her at the games.
Correct.
um clock i'm voting for the open low
participation three events poor
announcements i didn't i'm not poor the
three were awesome yeah yeah i thought the
mayhem one was fantastic excellent and the
boys the boys was very memorable and tyson
beijing why am i blanking on number two
because it was the two it was the
girls it was
It was Emily Rolfe and in Sydney, Sydney.
It was in Arizona.
Yeah.
That one was okay.
Yeah.
It just didn't have the pop.
The other two did.
Yeah.
I think the one workout one and three
were, were great and really well done.
And I,
and I don't know that it was supposed
to be Sydney.
Like, was it supposed to be Brooke?
And then I'll possibly CrossFit says
middle one was the wrong Wells.
And then back on a Raptus, anyone,
and no one knows why she switched.
Same brand too.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
But I think the biggest factors are
health.
Yeah.
That's not, yeah.
If you have ever sustained a back injury,
it is so debilitating.
And confidence is such a big thing that
hopefully it's just a minor setback and
she can get some time off and get
back at it.
A clock.
Y'all were too enamored with the mayhem
announcement.
loved it i love the cheesy did you
not hear carolyn talking about rocky four
and see how excited we got when rich
was my favorite movie of all time rich
wore the red white and blue shorts it's
rocky four it's the whole cheese ball give
me a good cheese ball set up and
i'm i'm there yeah um so okay
Next one is camp of the year.
Is there no,
you already have the one I think we
would all agree on.
I said proven.
So that's what I wrote.
I would say proven would be my other
contender.
I mean, you, you get,
you got tea out of there.
I think they did excellent helping build
up Olivia.
I mean, to me,
Jacob Hefner is Olivia's coach, but I,
even he says like he couldn't, you know,
continue to help her grow and wanted her
to get,
think that i think they're doing a great
job with with maddie stirrer and jay and
ricky getting second i will say this in
the back because i had the glittery band
this year tim paulson was very active with
olivia as a coach it it jacob was
not in the back this year so i
think there has been a switch to the
proven team being her full-time coach
Um, and so, yeah, they should give.
And in my mind,
I just thought proven is the quantity
where brute had the quality.
And I, and if you,
if you think about it in a way
like fee had an incredible season.
Yeah.
The games weren't where she was supposed
to be,
but she was blowing us all away leading
up to the games.
And, and I,
I didn't want to discredit that at all
either.
Cause it's the whole season, right?
Not, not just the one thing.
And that's what I was trying to do.
So that's why I went brute one.
I think Dallin and James are freaking on
fire.
And then you have fee and Emma Lawson
is starting to creep up there too.
Um, so yeah,
it was the jazzy band cross fat.
It is interesting that mayhem doesn't even
get mentioned.
I think they had a bad year.
I do too.
It's until Roman came on at the games
and Roman,
it was their star of the year.
Yep.
Yeah.
He's, he's turned it around.
So we'll see.
Yeah.
Some of these other ones are grid
mentions.
They're just not a camp.
It's two or three people and it's just
not quite the same.
Uh, Teresa Rutherford, uh, and Matt's a,
that's not what I wanted to read on
George.
You have to give Coachelle credit for DB
as well.
They, they got her there.
I love Coachelle.
He's one of my favorite people to talk
to.
Um, yeah, he, he deserves credit.
DB was great at the games.
The two weeks with Adam Neifert probably
didn't change much.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm shocked Roman hasn't left.
I think he's happy and cookful.
I mean, the facility has everything.
He's got access to anything he wants.
I think Mayhem is a great place for
him.
CrossFit,
has anyone gotten better at Mayhem?
Roman just returned to where he was before
he was injured.
Haley got better before her time off.
Maybe that wasn't the right way to go
about it.
And I think a lot of people had
gotten better there for years.
Yeah.
I think Luke got better there.
A hundred percent.
I argue Angelo.
I mean,
Angelo has been great for a long,
but like maybe a lot of their team
athletes,
a lot of their team athletes continued us
to get better and better.
Paige.
My, Miley, Wade, Nina, Paige,
Paige for sure.
Um, the young, Oh my gosh.
I am.
No, I'm talking about male Nate.
Yeah, but he's with the same coach.
He had a brute.
So that's, it's a little hard to, um,
Jorge made the games.
That's, that's a good point.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was going to be one of them,
Jorge or Nate.
So.
So we'll see.
All right.
So most exciting moment of the year.
I don't think I wrote anything for that.
I was struggling for this one.
I, you know, cause recent I'd have,
I like,
I have to go back and like really
think about things.
it was exciting for me the hopper failing
that snatch like that race at the games
was exciting that one just sticks out in
my mind i'm trying to think if anything
else was just like oh that lucy hands
lucy hansen walk against yeah on that one
event was excellent excellent yeah
Jason winning, Olivia making the put.
So just so you guys know,
my mindset was not about the result.
It was about watching something and it
being exciting.
Mine was the final event at Tour Stop
One at WOFP when everybody took the risk
to do the overhead lunge and everybody was
failing.
Yeah, Jeff, Laura.
It was mass chaos at the end of
that event.
That was really, really exciting.
in that moment,
just because of it's like the,
the year before at semifinals,
when everybody was failing that final
lunge down and like, uh,
follow went from a place at the games
to like all the way.
Eighteenth place or something.
Yeah.
Um,
It was just programmed right for that
event that you had to calculate,
do I have enough to get to the
end or not?
And so many people miscalculated that.
Yeah, that was a shocking event.
Yeah, I like that one as a pick.
And it wasn't just one person.
It was several people who misjudged that.
And people that are normally not making
mistakes, like an execution,
like it was out of character type of
misses.
So that made it even more.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was crazy.
That's why I like those workouts that are
programmed so well that it takes them to
the cusp and, like,
you see those failures.
Like, those are just good.
I mean, even Justin, I think,
if I remember,
missed the overhead walking lunge.
He tried to go unbroken and miss.
And it's like you never see Justin miss
as well with anything that's overhead
lunging.
Yeah, it was –
it's stuck in my head as like the
most exciting thing I saw this year.
And it's been there.
And I'm glad I,
as much as people think that I run
a smear campaign against the WFP,
like that was the most exciting thing of
the year for me.
I like it.
Good pick.
John George.
I think that one got Colton and Taylor
as well.
Honestly, I really liked the dual as well.
I'm going to throw the dual.
Yeah, that was good.
It was exciting races.
I think they were more exciting before the
finals.
I wish I would have been close in
the finals of that to really make it
sing.
But everything up to that point was I
was captivated on the duel.
I hate saying that because then it gives
credence to Jamie's we don't need the
final two,
but I think we do need the final
two.
Yeah.
Everything bagel, extra smear.
There we go.
Um, Larry young,
his wife has started mayhem earlier.
He said that it's, that it's, uh,
I think she's doing the masters and is
loving it.
And, um,
and he's saying now it's better ton of
new coaches.
So, all right.
So now we get into like the serious
awards and we start with comeback athlete
of the year, both male and female.
Who did you have?
On the men's side, I had Justin Medeiros.
I think he's back to form.
I think he's consistent again.
And I think that that is huge and
comeback athlete.
for the females is obvious.
I think it's Lucy Campbell.
What she overcame is ridiculous.
And where she's at is ridiculous.
Yeah.
I have Lucy for the females.
And then I wrote, um,
tutor for the males and Colton.
I like colon, um,
Cause Colton hasn't traditionally done,
um, as well at the games.
Like he's been in the thirtieths around
there.
Even last year, I don't think made it.
Right.
And then I think his best finish was
around maybe twentieth or nineteenth or
something like that.
And then he was just outside the top
ten this time and has been really,
really good this year.
And I think well-respected within the
men's field that's already very deep and
stacked.
Um,
To me, that's comeback athlete.
Like he's just in the mix now.
So Teresa has two and I agree with
one as a possibility.
One, it was DBE.
And I think that is a choice that
makes sense.
She did have a great year.
And then she says, James,
I think it's hard to come back from
being the games champion.
Correct.
I was trying to,
I was trying to pick someone who like,
like Colton,
like who didn't make it and came back
and made a bunch of big joint.
I would even argue maybe even like Hopper.
like when i mean like the biggest comeback
right like just came and took it all
but uh crossfit says what about jason he
was coordinated early and then this then
was kind of a joke right but he
was it's been an incremental climb and i
think his from last year to this year
isn't massive um
Wayne short says Alex and that's just
recency bias.
Yeah.
She's had a great season,
even though she had this hiccup in the
middle.
Right.
Um, but okay.
Um, Kenneth lab hopper,
Scott wrote him off at the start of
the year.
No, I'm just,
I was tired of picking him and losing.
Exactly.
I was done with him.
Right.
And he came out and he showed out.
Like,
I feel like that's the ultimate comeback.
At AI, we love you.
Thank you.
Yes, that was my quote, Kenneth.
I will never pick Hopper again.
And Larry Young with the super sticker.
Nice.
Thank you.
To be fair,
an NFL player got comeback player because
he sort of died then came back the
next year.
That is true.
That is true.
But I think they had to find a
way to honor that person.
And he did die on the field and
he did come back and play the next
year.
So that's a true comeback.
That's Lazarus.
So there we go.
All right.
Next is rookie rookie of the year.
So I put Anika here.
Yeah, I'm mad.
I didn't put Anika here.
You're welcome.
So you had Anika as Rookie of the
Year female.
Yeah.
I had Miriam Von Roe.
Miriam did well in the open,
backed it up,
and really backed it up at the games.
I mean,
I think similar type athlete in terms of
her strengths with Anika,
which is why I think they were really
close on the leaderboard.
Both are amazing squatters,
amazing at CrossFit,
but Miriam being the better runner for
like a distance event there.
But I think both of them have wheelhouse
stuff.
I think are very similar athletes for the
most part.
W.R.M.
nineteen twenty two.
Lucy McGonigal.
I don't think she had the performance at
the games that the others had.
Right.
And none of them like went to Rogue
or.
I think Annika has had a better WFP
season.
Than them.
And that's why I probably should have
picked her over Miriam.
Just looking at the whole.
Yeah.
There are a ton of good ones,
but I think Annika's performance at the
games.
Again,
Lydia Fish was awesome and the story was
awesome,
but I don't think she's put together a
season like Annika has at this point.
My male is, I think,
kind of obvious as Ty.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't even know.
Harry would be my other...
was this his first year did he second
first year okay yeah so and i picked
him for a different one so yeah rookie
john yeah i didn't think so that's why
i didn't put him there put him next
one the find the year uh it's twenty
twenty five kenneth you can find it on
any calendar um
Who was the foreign guy that shocked
everyone, not Sousa?
I did think Sousa had a good game,
though.
Yeah.
Yeah, he did have a good game.
I don't know.
Kalem Clements?
I don't know who else would be...
Kalem Bouchard?
Bouchard?
Whatever, however you say his name.
I actually had the game's...
No, I think Sousa smashed it.
He did.
Killian was the best out of it.
It'd be Callum Bossard or Caleb Clements.
Those were the other top twenty.
So that's who they were referring to.
Caleb Clements.
The rope guy surprises that Herman.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I don't think it was that.
Yeah.
Callum Clements was one spot behind Ty.
Right.
Sousa was not a rookie.
Correct.
Yeah,
and then the rest are all long timers.
Yeah.
There weren't a lot of rookies on the
men's side.
Nope.
So there we go.
All right.
Then we move on to most improved.
I put Harry Lightfoot and Olivia
Kerstetter.
Those are my two that I have.
I had Amy Kringle and Tudor Magda.
Love them both.
Great picks.
Yep.
I think if you told people that Tudor
would finish top ten at the games,
they would have called you a liar at
the beginning of the year.
Yep.
Except for you and me.
True.
We've been longtime Tudor fans.
And then, but he deserves, like,
most improved for sure.
Wasn't even at the games for the last
two years.
Right.
And then to come all the way back.
Grant, Ty wasn't there the year before.
He can't be most improved.
He just got Rookie of the Year, Grant.
Let it be.
Exactly.
He already got something.
So.
So you guys had Lightfoot.
And Olivia.
And Olivia.
Olivia didn't make the games last year.
She's made a massive improvement.
Okay, I can see that.
Capodium.
It's hard because I think it was expected.
Even though it was massive,
I think people expected it.
No, no, I don't think people did.
I think,
I think that that actually got a lot
of tears out of people when,
when she clinched that podium spot,
that was huge.
Okay.
I wouldn't say that was expected,
not a podium cracking the top.
Also would have been like, oh, okay.
Wow.
Good improvement.
Like she has it and then getting the
podium.
That's that's huge.
Um, CrossFit,
Danielle is kind of impressive there too,
but is she better?
I think she is better,
but I think that it's like we say
with anybody,
I think her strength has gotten better,
but everybody in the field strength has
gotten better.
But then you also have to think about,
there's a lot of very good female athletes
that were not at the games this year
too.
Right.
Um, but Danielle's had a very, very good,
uh, good year.
She's looking awesome.
I have her somewhere else.
So she'll get, she'll get an award.
All right.
Well, we only have one reward left.
There you go.
So the final award of the night is
MVP.
And that is male and female.
Who you got?
I have Danielle.
Basically kind of going off like your
Rogue rankings.
I mean, she dethroned Tia.
Now,
is it because Tia isn't at everything?
Yeah,
but I think she's put together an amazing
year.
I think she's better at Rogue than...
people would have expected for a rogue
performance from Danielle.
I think she was top notch at tier.
A lot of it was a SoCal.
She did a great job as a captain.
Um,
and she had a good performance at the
games.
I think she's put together a great year.
She deserves to be up there in the
captain at SoCal.
Maybe her most impressive was kept her
cool.
She looked like, I, I, I liked,
I liked seeing her like that.
I don't know.
I can't pick anyone else other than Tia
for MVP.
I have to pick someone else.
I know, I know, but like... Yes.
It's Tia.
It's Tia.
And I think we're... I mean,
I'm with you, Scott, on boys, so... Oh,
he's leaving us.
The suspense for the male...
Well,
the chat kind of already has thrown it
out there.
We got a ton of them.
And someone agrees with you,
Sprague and Tia.
So there you go, Carolyn.
Yeah,
I think James has been the most consistent
of the male athletes at any type of
event that he's participated in.
He was podium or right outside at Rogue
in fourth.
So consistency across any programing.
silenced some of the haters i think i
think he's really made his mark we didn't
forget scott's gonna say his picks okay
yeah man i can't believe it okay my
mvp is a female lucy uh campbell
I think winning water Palooza two at the
game.
I didn't hear what you guys said or
who you picked.
Um, and then, uh, male James break.
I think he had the most consistent season
from beginning to end, um,
winning water Palooza third at the games
and, um,
doing with leading WFP going into the
final event and rogue,
which nobody expects him to do well at
took forth.
Exactly.
Yeah.
No, we agreed with you.
We don't think there's really any other
option other than James for men.
I mean, there probably are, but I think,
I think James and Lucy have had a
very similar type of year.
Like they're just always at the podium no
matter what.
Yeah.
And they're very similar athletes in terms
of they're not known to be,
strength athletes but no no matter what if
even if there's a strength event they're
still somewhat at the top of the podium
towards the like a podium place um because
they have other great um wheelhouse stuff
that they can do very well with endurance
and they're just well-rounded overall like
they're very similar i think the closest
to james is ricky
second at the games um he's done well
at wfp um wataplooza socal i think he
held that team together when tia was not
doing well um so what did he get
at rogue this weekend or last weekend two
weeks that was he what was he ahead
of hopper
For some reason, who took second?
I thought it was him.
It was.
It was.
So yeah, that's good.
I mean... No.
Second was... Justin.
Justin took second.
James took... And Roman got third.
I'm just trying to see where...
And then James fourth.
yeah dylan can't catch a break so yeah
i think ricky was seventh yeah right
behind hopper so then i'd argue hopper
over ricky yeah because he beat games and
considering that where james placed in
every event this year with that many
contenders that's pretty impressive who
did you guys have for female
i had danielle i have tia she only
did one event mike drop the only one
that also did high rocks like the whole
year yeah cross fat must not be paying
attention i picked justin as my comeback
player athlete of the year you did so
okay
Well, that is our season ending awards.
We'll maybe revisit it after Copenhagen,
see if anything changes.
Well, let's play some pen pencil Sharpie.
Although I do want to ask this question
before we get into that with rogues do
standings coming out and Tia not being
number one.
Does that,
is that I watch a show where it's
like,
is it a bad day or a bad
sign?
And
Is it a bad game or a bad
sign?
Does that now mess up their rankings when
the greatest female athlete in the world
is not number one?
Yes.
Or is it just because of the way
she competed?
I think a lot of rankings...
she's not number one because they take
into account how many events people do.
Like,
I think it's the same thing with like
Barkley.
I don't even think Tia's number one in
his necessarily like it rewards people
that are competing all the time.
And then the strength of field.
So if you're just doing the games and
that's it,
and you're not competing at anywhere else,
like it's just the way that the point
systems are getting are rewarding.
I want to speak to this.
Can Carolyn's T Carolyn is Tia's biggest
fan girl literally gets giddy every time
she says her name.
Here's what you don't know.
Here's what you should know about Carolyn.
Carolyn loves greatness.
If you've been listening to this show in
any sport,
when someone displays greatness,
she gets giddy.
And that's what Tia does.
She's good.
Like,
goals yeah all right let's get into pen
pencil pen and sharpie i did not load
them in today so i'm just gonna have
to read them damn it scott you have
one job this is my sinuses you guys
know i've been dealing with these sinuses
and when the temperature drops fifty
degrees in one day all of a sudden
the pressure in my sinuses is so bad
yeah but it affected your fingers to type
them
No,
it affected my eye to look at my
computer.
I don't know how to do anything
technology-wise,
so I shouldn't be chirping right now.
All right, here we go.
Pencil, pen, or Sharpie?
Yes.
Scott uses Sudafed as pre-workout.
Truth.
Pencil, pen, or Sharpie?
CrossFit open sign-ups will increase by
more than twenty percent.
I wish I could say anything about pencil,
but I don't think that's realistic.
Pencil, yeah, that's too much.
I think it's going to increase, but not.
Yeah, that's a big ask, twenty percent.
Well, how many did we have last year?
Just shy of three hundred thousand.
And before that,
we had over four hundred thousand,
like four fifty.
So it decreased by way more than twenty
percent.
should but i mean they did some things
right they've got they've got
announcements out but do i see it getting
like much above three hundred right now i
don't know um we've got a pen uh
paper mate eraser mate pencil pen pencil
um pencil sharpie hey larry look at you
Um,
rounded tip pencil and invisible ink here.
I'm going to go pen and here's why
I'm going to go.
If you watch the podcast with Dawn fall
and Zia with, uh,
James Hobart on Thursday,
Zia saying that there has been an increase
in people walking through her door because
of the new marketing campaign.
She's actually seen a huge growth in,
from that new campaign,
that's what's giving me hope.
Why I can't go Sharpie is because this
looming, is it going to sell or not?
That's the piece I just don't know.
I think they're moving in the right
direction,
but that is all meaningless if there's a
sale to somebody that changes course
immediately.
Agreed.
They need to have a lot of campaigns
going into the new year when people start
coming to the gym.
Like they have to be preparing a bunch
of stuff right now for that December time
slash January.
But like really you need it in December
to push the January and then into the
open.
I agree with this statement.
I think quarterfinals will bring more and
more signups.
I do think that that was a goal
that people got because it is a realistic
goal to walk into a gym and want
to be top twenty five percent.
yeah when they took that away it took
a big incentive away from a lot of
people that's true um if dave would bend
a tad etched in stone it's hard to
get excited for the same dumbbell workouts
a lot will wait and watch
I don't think you're going to learn much
in the first workout.
Even in two thousand twelve,
when I first started doing the open,
the first workout wasn't that complicated.
It shouldn't be because you want everyone
in your gym to be like,
I can do that.
I'll sign up.
OK.
Like you don't want to do a twenty
minute AMRAP for the most part,
like just like a long,
slow because it feel like I don't feel
like doing that.
I'm not signing up like it needs to
be accessible.
Mm hmm.
I hope that's true.
The CrossFit gyms near me are struggling.
Yeah, I could use some science.
If you are an affiliate owner,
you need to watch that podcast.
And the stuff Zia was talking about,
like what's the responsibility of the
affiliate owner and what's the
responsibility of CrossFit and what makes
her successful?
She is opening up her second affiliate
now.
And it was really a great...
And I usually hang out in the sports
side of CrossFit most for this show,
but this really sucked me in on the
affiliate side.
So I will say that I didn't get
a lot from Dawnfall,
but we're going to get into that in
a second.
Forgot I wrote that down.
All right.
Okay, so next one.
This week,
we've been talking on the lunch show,
and I've gotten a lot of comments about
something.
And this is a comment that I've gotten
from listeners,
and I'm going to pose it to you.
Pencil, pen, or Sharpie,
Laura Horvath is afraid to go up against
Tia Claire Toomey.
Pencil.
Pencil for sure.
She wants to.
Pencil.
Yeah.
Laura has said that she wants to be
the best.
If Tia's not there...
I think she even knows it's somewhat of
a hollow win.
There is that question.
She wants to beat Tia.
Yeah.
Yeah,
and we saw it at Rogue Invitational when
she beat her.
Yeah,
like the only time that she's beat her
and how much that meant to her,
like regardless of where Tia was
post-pregnancy, like that was a win.
And, you know,
for all the haters that said anything
against her winning the twenty twenty
three games like.
it just like seems like it was never
enough for,
for Laura because she didn't beat Tia,
but like, she's been hands down,
not even close.
The second best CrossFit athlete since,
not even close since her first year at
the games.
You don't get to be a games athlete
and be afraid.
No, especially not at her level.
Right?
Like she is,
I would argue the second greatest CrossFit
athlete on the female side ever.
And you don't get there being afraid.
It just does.
Like that is not a champion's mindset and
you don't get to that championship level
having those types of fears.
She just needs the field to be better.
Just like people needed the field to be
better against Matt,
but we're just not there.
Right.
Like she's just so far ahead as well
in second place.
Um,
Because there are events that she blows
everyone out of the water, including Tia,
but she's just not getting anyone
middling.
Tia's also so consistent.
She said in one of the documentaries how
much she wants to beat Tia.
Of course.
Harder for Laura to overcome,
Tia or strict deficit handstand push-ups?
Strict deficit handstand push-ups.
All right.
Next one.
Don Fall on that same podcast I just
talked about said he wasn't public facing
enough over the last fifteen months.
Is that good for CrossFit's momentum that
he admitted that and a step forward for
CrossFit?
I said pencil to this.
Pencil,
like nothing means anything until action
is seen.
But it is nice to recognize that,
for sure.
Like you want to see.
Yeah.
You're going to be more forward facing,
like we want to see it again,
you know.
Don is always like, he's,
he's just a talker.
Like he has that corporate speak.
He's,
but most of it is meaningless to me.
Like every time I've heard him talk,
I just like sitting there like, okay,
what did you actually say?
What are we actually going to see?
Like, and,
and I've never actually seen anything.
It's why was he, was there,
I didn't watch it.
Was there,
Context given to why he hasn't been,
it's like he went into hiding after the
death and didn't want to be seen and
the ache.
I'll take it a step further.
I think that he not only went into
hiding,
he let one particular person take all the
heat for everything that happened.
Exactly.
And it wasn't a one individual person.
Yeah.
Any mistakes made if you've worked in the
corporate world at all,
shit rolls downhill.
So Dave took it all,
but it is a,
it is an organizational mistake.
It is not a one person mistake because
at, at the end of the day,
everybody in line of that is,
is responsible.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And to me, like,
that says a lot a lot about him
and I like it would be very hard
for me to ever like trust him or
have a whole lot of respect in him
again,
like even if he's willing to be more
forward facing it that so what we just
get more corporate speak from him doesn't
still doesn't do anything for me.
Yeah,
like what what are you looking for him
to do like more talks like in terms
of
how Greg was talking about CrossFit and
pushing it.
What does he need to do to,
I guess, redeem himself?
What are you looking for him to do?
I want to see a set of goals
set and adhered to.
This is our North Star.
This is what we are about.
This is where we're moving and actually
see the action steps into moving in that
direction.
I think CrossFit has not had that since.
I think when Greg fired the media
department,
we lost our North star before that it
was about promoting what we do for health,
what we do to get people living better
lives, what we do for all of that.
And once that media team was disbanded
completely, now,
could it have been reduced and still move
forward with those goals?
Sure.
But that's not the choice Greg made at
the time.
He wiped it clean.
And then they could not do the promotion
of what CrossFit was all about.
Yeah.
The problem is,
It was very clear what Greg's mission was.
And Greg was willing to take on Coca-Cola
or Pepsi or whatever.
He was willing to take on anyone,
the NICA.
Don and HQ are about bumping up the
numbers.
And I don't see anything they can do
that actually...
makes things better for the affiliates so
when they came out with bumping up numbers
makes it better for the affiliates so when
they came out with the marketing campaign
of f the quick fix um i think
it was a it was good with a
step short of glp ones are making are
not the answer
Like instead of hiding behind a curse word
and calling it a quick fix,
let's call it what it is.
GOP ones are changing the face of what
people are calling health and it's wrong.
And here's the science.
Let's move in that direction.
But are they going to take on big
pharma?
No.
Like HQ is not,
this venture capitalist is not going to
take on,
big pharma and start putting that kind of
message out with like there's more,
they attack that kind of stuff.
Probably the more they're going to get,
I mean, I don't even know.
I don't know how that works in the
corporate world.
I just,
I can see that not ending well for
CrossFit.
But I don't think CrossFit should look at
itself as a part of the corporate world.
I think it needs to look at itself
as, Hey, we are the difference.
We're, we're not,
tech company we are not big pharma we
are to make you healthy this is the
long-term solution i don't know yeah i i
get it i i think that's the proper
take i just don't know if this a
venture capitalist company is going to
take that stance that's a hard line to
draw
I think CrossFit also needs a, like,
what is CrossFit campaign?
Like actually well-defined for like a
promotional type thing,
not just something that like they'll read
on the CrossFit.com, but like an actual,
I don't know,
really good one minute video that can get
pushed.
And what it's not and the misconceptions
of it.
And like, keep pushing that.
Cause I mean,
it's still a negative taboo word.
It seems, you know, it is.
So you almost have to lean into it
and be like, this is not across,
you know, like whatever,
but like some sort of campaign like that.
Yeah,
I think I like the campaigns that are
coming out.
I think they're missing two pieces and
that is straight out bluntness of,
of what you're talking about.
Um,
and to an action step at the end,
this is where you can find help.
Go, go to an affiliate map.
That's,
that's the piece I think they're missing.
But if you listen to Zia,
she's like it's charging the base and the
base are bringing in more people to her
affiliates.
So maybe that's the start it needs to
be.
And so I don't want to like dog
on Jenna or anybody for putting these out
because I think they're quality.
I think they are getting people fired up.
But I don't know what the end result
is.
Are they getting to the right people to
bring them into the affiliates?
Right.
But Zia is saying they are at the
front lines working for her.
I mean,
I feel like until affiliate numbers grow,
both number of affiliates and individuals
inside the affiliates, I mean,
we're losing.
So, yeah.
All right.
All right.
let's end it there.
I don't, I,
I don't think we know enough about the
next one to talk about it enough earlier
on in the show.
All right.
Um,
so maybe we'll save it for another one.
Okay.
But, uh,
I think it's been good conversation.
Um,
if you have any ideas for show topics,
shoot them to us in the,
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And, um,
I agree, Scott, but Fired Up is great.
Last few years, it's only been pissed off.
And I see that point, Larry.
And maybe this is step one that it
needs.
You need to get the base back up
and then from there,
then reach out to the next group.
Yeah.
And so maybe that's what it is.
I think they're good.
I'm not dogging them at all.
I think the production's good.
I think... I think they're good.
Yeah, I do too.
I just...
at the very minimum,
I wish there was a link at the,
at the end saying,
here's your affiliate map,
go find an answer.
And then just stories like every,
every day, every week,
stories of members and affiliates,
what's going on, um, what they do,
how they're doing CrossFit,
like more stories all the time.
Uh, uh,
I think eighteen was really damaging and
people forget about it because of the
change of leadership that happened two
years later.
And they blame that when really the
downward trend started in eighteen.
Yeah.
And no call to action.
Links, choose your own adventure.
I like that.
Twenty made eighteen forgettable.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But if you... Hiller, they're wasteful.
Loving all the stuff you've been putting
out, Andrew.
It's been good.
So, Hiller, what I would ask you is...
What Zia said on the CrossFit podcast on
Thursday made me reconsider some of the
things I've been saying about the ads and
that they are working for her.
And so I'm curious to know your thoughts
on that at some point.
Doesn't have to be tonight,
but I'm curious about that because she was
adamant that they are working for her and
she is very thankful for them.
But she's also adamant about there are
roles that HQ needs to play and what
the affiliate owner needs to play and that
they should not cross.
While Hiller is here,
maybe he's still here,
he should come to the Everyday Heroes
competition this weekend at Mayhem.
Oh, that's right.
Carolyn's competing this weekend.
Jack Rosema is competing this weekend.
I think Don Paul is supposed to be
there this weekend.
That's what we heard.
There you go, Hiller.
Go get an interview.
He's probably tired of traveling, though.
If you stay home,
I will not blame you.
South Korea.
Well, last year,
the educators took dead last.
You going to change that up?
Heck yeah.
Get it, girl.
All right.
Do you know who your teammate is?
Are you not willing to say that?
No, I, yeah, I, um, I, uh,
I picked the one that finished in second.
We actually met this week.
We did a,
like a interview with Bella and that was
the first time we've seen each other on
video, but we've been chatting.
Um, Arkansas.
Okay.
So she finished second in the,
like in the division for educators.
I think she did semifinals before her name
is, uh, Maddie, Maddie Edwards.
Okay.
Good luck, Carolyn.
Yeah.
And I did hear them say that they're
going to make a full highlight documentary
that Mayhem's putting out right
afterwards.
So we'll be able to see it that
way.
Yeah.
I mean, Mayhem's marketing is so good.
Yeah.
And their video stuff production is
awesome.
With that,
we're going to call it a night.
I am not sure about tomorrow's show.
My next couple Mondays are all doctor's
tests.
So I just don't know when I'm going
to be done with those,
if I'll be back in time to do
a lunch show or not.
But I will definitely be back Tuesday.
With that,
we will see everybody next time.
Like, subscribe, do all that stuff.
We'll see everybody next time on Sunday
night.
Whoops.
Sunday, Sunday,
Sunday night CrossFit talk.
Bye, guys.